Hey y'all, it's that time of the week again: LOST predictions time! I don't really know what to expect for tomorrow, I'm still trying to wrap my head around last week. I want to know who Dan's mom is and I think it will be the course correction lady...I hope so!
What I do know:
WALT IS ON SOME RANDOM COMMERCIAL. It was hilarious.
Ms. Hawking = Ms. Faraday. Youuuuu betcha. :)
ReplyDeleteAnd I wanna see that ad! What's it for?
And here are a couple interesting tidbits from Lostcampia 1.0...
ReplyDeleteCarlton Cuse:
"So uh I think the notion of how time relates to the uh Others and their travels back and forth to the Island is something the show will be exploring very soon."
Damon Lindelof, re: Richard's age:
"Age is all relative on the Island I would say."
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Access:_Granted
The title of this post threw me off--I hadn't seen that episode 3 was going to be called "Jughead." That seemed like a weird title, and the only association I could make was with the comic book character. I just took a second to see what Wikipedia had to say, and it looks like "Jughead" was the nickname for a type of hydrogen bomb that the U.S. produced in the 50's. Somehow, I think that reference seems more likely than the comic book one (even though Wikipedia does say that the comic Jughead could control the weather and predict the future). I think tonight's episode is set up to introduce some military stuff.
ReplyDeleteAaaaaaand Mr. MacDonald's right. Both about that guy being Widmore and about the nuke. This is getting crazy. I'm not sure I can handle the analysis. To do it justice just requires so much time.
ReplyDeleteThe nuke is awesome. A-w-e-s-o-m-e. It's almost certainly still on the island in the future. Where? What about that door that leads to a brick wall? Or... are there any DHARMA stations we haven't really explored yet?
Why's the military interested? Do they know about the island, and do they want to eliminate the threat it presents? Seems they don't. Seems like it's just luck. Either good or bad luck, that's yet to be seen. :)
So this is the hostiles. I forget if people said one thing or the other, but I was kind of under the impression they were Dharma.
Richard seems so surprised about the time travel stuff. You'd think he'd be accostomed to that stuff, being immortal and all. Maybe... he's not... yet. Or maybe he is.
Pretty cool, Locke telling Richard to go see him. :)
Widmore said the island had always been his. But he doesn't seem at all in charge here.
Pretty interesting how close Locke came to killing him.
What's their method of selecting a leader? Interesting that *Ben* is their next leader, and only after Ben do they get around to appointing Locke. Or whatever. Maybe their next leader is Widmore, and THEN Ben. Or maybe Widmore and Ben face-off in the selection process, and Widmore loses.
Daniel's mom is even more certainly Ms. Hawking now.
Widmore telling Des to run off with Penny is very much like Ben telling Carl (and Danielle) to run off with Alex.
Who's that woman who led Daniel to the bomb? Is she... related to him? To Annie? To the woman in the bed on life support? What's up with the Oxford janitor?
wow, Mr. MacDonald. Seriously.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything Toph said. And about the last question, Liz and I were just talking about all the people she looks scary similar to, but she really looks familiar but I hate that I can't put my finger on it.
I have to let it sink in a bit. BUT I MISSED THE FIRST TWO MINUTES BECAUSE A GROUP OF PEOPLE DID NOT RESPECT THE "RESERVED" SIGN I PUT ON THE TV AND WE HAD TO GO FIND ANOTHER TV LOUNGE TO WATCH IN.
but a few comments:
Locke not killing any of the others because they were "his people" made me roll my eyes. Oh John Locke.
The nuke actually was pretty awesome.
Little Charlie was pretty awesome.
Daniel telling Charlotte was pretty awesome.
For once, Jack and Kate's absence didn't bother me. Impressive.
The Buddhist stuff that Maddy posted seems like it might be right on target. The scene where Richard asks Locke to pick the right stuff seems really important. I wonder if Widmore does get to be the leader while they wait for Locke to grow up. And I wonder if Widmore somehow sabotages the selection process in order to prolong his own reign--maybe Locke was supposed to choose the knife all along.
ReplyDeleteToph--I love that idea about the door that leads to the wall. I had been thinking that they were guarding that door because of what HAD BEEN in that location or what WOULD BE in that location in the future, but I think I like your idea better.
Another important thing to keep in mind:
ReplyDeleteFARADAY: "Whoa. Take it easy. I can explain myself a little better. I know how this sounds. Believe me, it's... oh, it's hard to explain. 50 years from now, me and my.. me and my friends--that's where we're from, okay? And here's the key--everything's fine. I'm not saying it's perfectly fine, but there hasn't been any atomic blasts, all right? There has not--"
But there was the Swan incident. What was that all about??? Doesn't seem like it was anything nuclear, of course, but... Daniel just reminded me.
Also--LOVED the Latin. Lost is gonna bring it back to life. :)
P.S. I love that Lostpedia already has a transcript up. :D
ReplyDeleteOK, so I just finished watching. So much to talk about. Like Sminkus, I missed the first few minutes cause the TV was being stupid, but Liz filled me in. But basically, it was a good but very confusing episode, like always. Mr. MacDonald was right on target, and that whole Widmore thing was awesome. And it was also awesome that we now know why Richard was looking for Locke in '56 (and later, too). Although I must say, Locke looks older than 48, but whatever. And I will be SUPER impressed with myself if my whole compass/Buddhist theory proves correct.
ReplyDeleteOK, so the english lady leading faraday to the bomb... assuming that she isn't time traveling/that she ages correctly, she isn't the right age to be Annie, and she isn't in the Dharma, so that wouldn't work. She can't be the woman Daniel does his experiments on, because that woman's name was Teresa, plus she looked different. But I still bet she's important. Perhaps Penny's mother?
Also, Charlotte can't die. Cause we know that she is alive in the future. Worry not, Dan.
And little Charlie made me happy. Yay.
Penny's mom, hm, interesting. Daniel clearly recognizes her. Is that from his days working on the Orchid? From Oxford? Or from the island? Is she related... to Charlotte?
ReplyDeleteAnd Charlotte totally CAN die... I think. These aren't flashbacks, they're travelbacks. And not just consciousness travelbacks, but physical travelbacks. Along the linear timeline, Charlotte could appear, die, be born, and then disappear.
Interesting how the nosebleeds manifest themselves very similarly in both consciousness time travel and physical time travel. It's odd--Charlotte's surrounding aroundn't changing that much, so why's her brain short-circuiting? Is everything that's travelling with her ruled out from being her constant?
I also liked how we got another hint at the weird way people remember things. Desmond suddenly forgot everything in the storm... and then he suddenly remembered Daniel knocking on the Swan door years after it happened. I'm glad they acknowledged that.
Yes, I liked Charlie too. :)
Rawr, I just typed a big long thing but lost connection and it all disappeared I'll try to summarize:
ReplyDeleteA. I need to rewatch premier and this one again but I liked the older episodes with only hints of the impossible and more specific focuses.
B. It's sad that only 2 Season 1 Characters were in this episode (Locke and Des)
C. Des and Charles' dialogue amazing because Des finally won, though it wouldve been cool if he rubbed it in with saying he had Charlie as a grandson but not in his own namesake.
D. With all this Time travel I'd love to see the creation of the Smoke Monster, that'd be sweet.
E. I doubt the bomb will get buried because they couldn't just let it disappear and with all the time travel they don't find stuff in the woods like they used to (Drug planes, Hatches and such, excluding Locke watching the Crash.)
F. Speaking of the hatch, it'd be great to see Boone again, not that that will happen unless Hurley sees his ghost or something.
Re: A. -- J.J. Abrams sympathizes. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html
ReplyDeleteRe: B. -- Is it? Someone I was watching with said something similar. I, personally, would get tired of 5 seasons of season 1-style episodes.
Re: C. -- I don't like rubbing things in. :)
Re: D. -- Absolutely. When the drug plane crashed, when it first appeared out in the distance, I actually got excited because I thought we were going to see just that. How would you create something like that? Maybe it's the ashes of someone blown away in a nuclear explosion. :) What about the fence?
Re: E. So what'll they do with it? Y'know, for a minute there, I was scared Daniel would just go up, disarm it, and it'd be over... and this'd end up being just another of those weird one-offs like the Tempest's brief appearance last season.
Re: F. Yes, we can always count on Hurley to bring back some familiar faces. :)
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Someone (Mr. MacDonald?) brought up the Black Rock earlier... and it's looking very plausible that the Others (a) are the *original* inhabitants of the island, and that (b) they're Black Rockers.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Danielle arrive sometime soon. "The Sickness" = radiation poising from leaky H-bomb? And is that why Desmond & Co. were always wearing the rad suits? Seems like it. Take THAT, those-who-say-they're-making-it-up-as-they-go-along. :)
This Lostpedia timeline is now more important than ever. They're given us broken bits of the history of the island, and now we're going on a sightseeing tour through them all--except it's hardly sightseeing, because it MATTTERS.
ReplyDeletehttp://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Pre-crash
Some points:
ReplyDelete*Farraday last week said the island is moving through time OR our people are. I was watching an Evangeline Lilly interview, and she said a similar thing. Thus, although our characters aren't technically supposed to be able to change the past (I'm still wrapping my head around how that's possible), our characters CAN die, because they may be the ones moving through time, thus--this is a little weird--their present is any time that they are in. So, I believe at least, Charlotte can die. (Not that I really care...her plot line doesn't really interest me--until we find out who she is connected to, because she clearly will be in some way)
*The English woman with the gun is called "Ellie"--lostpedia has a few theories: that she is Daniel's mother (Eloise Hawking), Danielle Rousseau, or Theresa/Theresa's mother. I also think Maddy could be right, that she is Penny's mother, 'cause I think now that Penny was born on the island (if that can happen--I'm still confused about whether Dharma or Hostiles women die in childbirth). But, it would make cool sense the Ellie is Eloise Hawking, thus the very LOST-esque writers chuckling with their virtual tongue-in-cheek line, "You look familiar", which is a cool line for someone seeing his mother as a young woman.
*Although I'm not a Sci-Fi guy, this has definitely become a quintessential Sci-Fi show--and, although I'm a character driven person, and I am absolutely infatuated with what the heck is happening and how it's all going to turn out! SO, I may need to add a Sci-Fi book or short stories to my LOST class...so if you Sci-Fi people out there have any ideas, please send them along (clearly, Mimsy will be in the curriculum--probably read just after The Tempest)
*I can't wait to see how young Widmore and young Ben battle for supremacy of the island (and possibly with Locke in the future?). Interesting that Widmore-Ben model matches the whole duality-thing that I covered in my class and that is inherent in LOST overall (survivors-others; Jack-Locke; front of plane-rear of plane; etc.)
I love the Eloise / Ellie connection. That seems pretty solid to me. But, what with Widmore running loose on the island, who knows, could be Penny's mom. Or both! :) Hey, Jack and Clare turned out to be related--why not Penny and Daniel? But she definitely looks like the elder Ms. Hawking.
ReplyDeleteI must've missed the line about either the island moving or the people moving. D'oh. I need to re-watch these, away from those raucaus college crowds....
"(I'm still wrapping my head around how that's possible)"
It's weird, and we're not exactly sure how they're doing it. But yeah... whatever they do, it's already been done. They've seen how things end up, and however they end up, that's inevitable.
But since time is relative... well, any time is in the past of some other time. So it would seem the fate of everything ever is already... immutable.
Today in philosophy we touched on a topic I read about a couple years ago, and which I think I mentioned in either the Lost or Star Wars seminar. That is: even if God (or any omniscient being) knows the future, that doesn't mean it's predetermined, exactly. It's just that he's above, beyond, & outside of time--so he can see the entirety of your lifetime, and he can see everything it is that you will ever (freely!) choose to do.
A book I read (“Star Wars and Philosophy” :)) put it well. It was something like -- a weatherman can predict that it'll rain tomorrow, but his prediction doesn't make it rain. Rather, the fact of it raining makes him make his prediction. The rain just happens to lie “futureward” of the weatherman in spacetime, the way a stop sign might lie ahead on the road. It’s counter-temporal causality—the cause comes after the effect! :)
Of course, people are less predictable than the weather… in fact, assuming we have free will (of which I’m not convinced), maybe you can’t predict our actions with any certainty at all.
But anything *above and beyond time* could still see our entire future (as well as, of course, our past and present). That doesn’t mean it would determine it, only that it would know it at all times (or rather, irrespective of time).
OK, I found an excerpt from that book online.
“Augustine compares the eternal observer’s knowledge of the future to our mundane knowledge of the past:
Why cannot [God] justly punish what He does not force to be done, even though He foreknows it? Your recollection of events in the past does not compel them to occur. In the same way, God’s foreknowledge of future events does not compel them to take place. As you remember certain things that you have done and yet have not done all the things that you remember, so God foreknows all the things of which He Himself is the Cause, and yet He is not the Cause of all that He foreknows.”
http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=8440
Very interesting.
But wait, there’s more!!! I’d forgotten this part of the essay! It’ll sound familiar to some of you, anyway, since it’s a question I’m fascinated by. But I’d forgotten its origin--none other than John Locke. :D
“Han, unlike Anakin and Luke, appears to have alternative possibilities in determining his own future, which most libertarian philosophers take to be fundamental to the definition of “freedom.” Enlightenment-era philosopher John Locke (1632-1704), however, notes that freedom may not require having alternative possibilities:
Suppose a Man be carried, whilst fast asleep, into a Room, where is a Person he longs to see and speak with; and be there locked fast in, beyond his Power to get out: he awakes, and is glad to find himself in so desirable Company, which he stays willingly in, i.e. prefers his stay to going away. I ask, Is not this stay voluntary? I think, no Body will doubt it: and yet being locked fast in, ‘tis evident he is not at liberty not to stay, he has not freedom to be gone.”
Now, I’m not totally sure I agree with Locke. If I were locked in a room, I’m not sure I’d feel free even if I had no desire to leave. But it’s pretty interesting how reminiscent that passage is of John and Jack’s attitudes toward the island. They both crash there with no way to leave. But Locke finds himself in desirable company and has no desire to leave. He seems to feel perfectly free. Jack and most of the rest of them, though, feel locked in--even when they have no reason to want to go home! It’s just a kind of reflex: you’re stuck, you try to get out.
Re: sci-fi -- yes, the tone has changed dramatically. It’s almost more fantasy than sci-fi, though. Or somewhere in between. I’m afraid I’m not really a good person to recommend anything… I love sci-fi, but I’ve read very little.
What about The Wizard of Oz? Alice in Wonderland?
Ooh, abc.com has a neat feature called Book Club. There’s some sci-fi in there….
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=bookclub
Valis, by Philip K. Dick: A theological detective story that deals with reality and madness, time and death, sin and salvation.
Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut: “Unstuck in time, Billy Pilgrim, Vonnegut’s shattered survivor of the Dresden bombing, relives his life over and over again under the gaze of aliens; he comes at last to some understanding of the human comedy.”
Island, by Aldous Huxley: “For over 100 years, the inhabitants of the island of Pala have been part of a social experiment whereby western science has been brought together with eastern philosophy and humanism to create a paradise on earth.”