This week rolled around fast.... any predictions for 316? Sounds like we'll find out more about Eloise Hawking and getting back to the Island at least.
316 may refer to an oft-quoted Bible passage, John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Essentially, belief in Jesus is key for eternal life. John Locke's steadfast belief in the Island will somehow grant him some version of immortality, I figure.
I'm holding out hope, though, that since 316 is an area code in Wichita, Kansas, the way back to the island is some sort of tornado. Or at least invovles clicking of ruby slippers.
OK I loved this episode!!!
ReplyDeleteDharma station off island, Lapetis, Jack putting a dead guys shoes on another dead guy, and nobody questioning Ben when he shows up completely beat up.
First thing's first though: So did they not crash? It seemed like they were in range for a flash and got moved.....through space and time separately from the rest of the plane. that would be ideal (so cute of Hurley to try to save people) Also, what was with the random guy on the plane in 1st class? He was the only other one...and standing right behind Jack at the airport. Spy for Whidmore? Used to be on the island too? Will he be on the island? So many new questions!
The island is always moving...WHAT? I was really confused by that...also there are multiple pockets of high energy, so potentially there are other islands? Seriously, time travel is starting to seem like a simplified version of all of this now. Also, who was the guy that discovered that there were these patches and how to find them? Could it be Dan? His mom is running the machine and that's only his "mom" theres no proof for it. Since we saw him in Dr.Hallowax's filming (circa 1980) it didn't seem like he aged. Could he be like Richard? What if he and Richard know eachother? Could they be from the Black Rock way back when? Also, if Dan told Charlotte everything when she was little, was he his current age then too? Why do I have so much to say about someone who wasnt in the episode?
There was a serious religious focus in this week's episode, especially with Ben's less than subtle metaphor. One of my friends here thought that it would be a little about religion because she thought it was going to be about the Chronicles of Narnia with the Lamppost and something about laying out all the pages....I didn't completely get it.
Locke committing suicide. There has to be more to that. Wayyyy more.
I feel like Jack's grandpa is going to play a big role somehow this season. They wouldnt stick him in the episode for a pair of shoes.
Lastly, as a supporter of SKate (as opposed to Jate...new terminology I learned tonight) I was happy it was weird but seriously, what is Kate's deal? I know something sketchy went down with Aaron, but she was way too weird around Jack.
I wonder if Daniel's mom had anything to do with everyone showing up on the plane, I mean Sayid showing up in cuffs, Hugo, Kate sans Aaron who was supposed to be there, and Ben beaten to a bloody pulp? Jill weirds me out and I'll think she'll have some ulterior motive and come back somehow. And Frank Lapidus, is awesome but just looks creepy when he is clean shaven.
ReplyDeleteOk one little thing I was thinking about today in terms of finding the island. one of the few things I got out of the pain that was gen. chem. was that in a atom, scientists have found out how to do 1 of 2 things: know where an electron is at a certain time or know where its going. The 2 can never be figured out at once, so I guess it's the same idea with the island. The mystery man that figured that out though....i'm still not so sure
ReplyDeleteI love both explanations of 316--the Biblical reference, which makes awesome sense because of Ben's explanation of the painting in the church, and the area code for Kansas, which, when you think about it, the plane scene from last night is very similar to the tornado scene in Wiz of Oz.
ReplyDeleteI really liked Jack waking up on the island like the first time. I knew when the show opened that this was the new version, and I thought it was cool that this was confirmed. I wondered, however, why they repeated that entire sequence--they don't normally do things like that. I'm sure I can come up with a lot of cyclical points or time looping points.
I must admit, I thought this epsiode was a little hokey: the grandfather bit seemed too easy; Eloise's explanation of the island didn't get any "What the f*&^k are you talking about?!" responses or even "What? How? Why?" I just feel like they would have/should have been more curious about these very bizarre and crazy details; Jack and Kate getting together was too cheesy. AND, there was no Juliet. By the way, she still is going to have some crazy role (maybe even the one who beat up Ben when he had 'old business to attend to').
Finally, obviously we'll find this out, but Jin was driving a NEW blue van and 'working' for Dharma. Thus, are we to conclude that when Locke turned the wheel, the island STOPPED moving in time at the time that it was at, thus the island is stuck in the time of the Dharma Initiative? Any thoughts on this?
I agree about the overwhelming amount of cheese and the sloppy writing. The shoes are the most over-the-top symbols they've thrown at us in a long time. Despite some big flaws, I liked a lot of stuff in this episode...
ReplyDelete--Did Ben kill Penny? Or Desmond? Or both of them? Alex (Mr. Gould?) threw out an interesting idea today: maybe Ben tricked Sayid into beating him up as a way of getting him into trouble and (somehow) onto the plane. It's a stretch, but it would fit Ben's style.
--The parallels are great; easily the most interesting part of the episode. Locke=the new Christian, Sayid=the new Kate, Jin=the new Roger Linus, etc. It feels like the show is playing with the idea of reincarnation: characters get to come back to the island and walk around in someone else's shoes this time.
--I definitely think the island is stuck in the early days of Dharma, and I think that'll be fun. Ben might get to hang out with young Ben. Maybe they can burn ants together.
--In a prior flash, we saw that water bottle from Ajira Airlines, right? I'm trying to put those pieces together, but it's much too confusing right now.
I had so much work late in the week that I only just watched now. But--WOW. I don't know, I guess I have a high cheese tolerance, haha. A bunch of folks here didn’t watch Wednesday, either… so we were watching and someone came in and said, “What movie is this?” It’s Lost, we said. “Why aren’t they on an island?” And we just laughed.
ReplyDeleteMr. Bau, great calls on the Biblical reference and the ruby slippers. (Makes me want to look up all 8:15s.) Unlike Mr. MacDonald, I liked the shoes... and didn't even think of the "walking in someone else's shoes" saying until now...
The Lamp Post--interesting Narnia reference, Liz. It's a very natural extension of the Dharma mythos, despite being the first we've seen off-island. Awesome aesthetic, too. The flipping numbers and everything. Reminded me of the pendulum at the Boston Museum of Science. :D
Camp, I feel like after all they've been through, it's to be expected that they take these things more calmly than you or I might. In fact, I was surprised by how weirded-out Jack seemed to be by the requirement to give something of his father's to Locke.
These "windows"--it seems like the island is moving through both time and space. And, just as it doesn't exist at every point in space (obviously), it also doesn't exist at every point in time. And, unlike most worldly objects, the points in time at which it DOES exist are not necessarily contiguous. Also a good call on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Liz. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle)
I'm now liking the whole "You ALL have to go back" thing more. It's like... all the variables have to be the same, you know? Questionable math (reminiscent of “constants”), but kind of cool. There was even the Ana Lucia analogue next to Jack in the bar, though they didn't speak. And Ben running in late a la Hurley. I, too, was very curious about that random guy who told Jack he was sorry about his friend. And Frank, hahahaha.
I also loved the exterior plane shots. Beautiful. :) If only there'd been a rainbow.... OK, so apparently the O6 got separated from their plane by a flash. But I'm inclined to say the plane could've crashed, too, albeit in a different time. Yes, Mr. MacDonald, we already saw the Ajira water bottle. I was hoping it'd be the O6 back for Round 2. :)
When Jack woke up on-island the second time, I half expected to see Christian's shoes hanging from a tree. Cool, anyway, that that mystery from the very first episode (what were the shoes? why was Christian wearing them?) was finally tied up. And I also half-expected the scene to play out somehow differently the second time around.
"Since we saw him in Dr.Hallowax's filming (circa 1980) it didn't seem like he aged."
Remember that that could be taking place in his present, e.g. AFTER (from his point of view) Charlotte dies. (Kind of raises questions about Richard's apparent immortality.) And yes, there could be a connection there....
A couple of my friends also suggested that Ben had killed Penny. He was, after all, at a harbor.
On a side note--I wish they didn’t do previews for next time. It seems to mess everything up, you know? Of *course* I’m going to watch. But I wish the writers had more total control over, well, the order in which things are revealed. Unfortunately, I suppose that would be unreasonable to expect….
More in a moment. Maybe I’ll make it a separate blog post, since it’s kind of a distinct topic from the episode itself....
Also, for what it's worth, episode 3.16 was "One of Us".
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Also, Lapidus' return inspired me to look him up on Lostpedia.
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Hm.
I wonder if he was *supposed* to be flying Oceanic 815. And we know things can go wrong when things that are *supposed* to happen, don't....
Oh, and looking back at this is pretty cool.
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A Red Class student made this cool observation to me today:
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I wonder if there is more to this reincarnation or cycle idea and/or if the other characters also were replicas for the original 815 flight
Ooh, hadn't noticed the guitar thing.
ReplyDeleteThe most interesting might be that Frank replaced his replacement. It's almost like this version of the flight is *more* perfect in that respect.
Hello there everyone. Thanks for the invite Camp. Anyways, yeah, I have a few things to address re: 316.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, as Liz said, I think that Jack's grandfather will play some sort of role in upcoming episodes. It does seem just a bit odd that they would introduce a character in such a manner and never follow up. I mean, he has his own little plot (running away from the old folk's home). Also, he was played by an actor, Raymond J. Barry, who is fairly established, having had parts in over 80 shows and movies. He hasn't been much of a star, but most of the other actors weren't either before Lost (Ken Leung -- only bit parts in movies and shows [funny side note here, saw him in Rush Hour the other day, hilarious], Josh Holloway -- again, only bit parts [in one role he's credited as "Good Looking Guy"], the list goes on).
Secondly, I also find the whole re-enactment thing interesting. But it's not perfect, because if Hurley is the new Charlie, who's Hurley? It seems like there will definitely be....ahem....unpredictabilities.
Speaking of which, perhaps landing in the 1960s is a direct result of the imperfect redo. This brings me to my next point. Do people age, even when bouncing through time? Their return is three years after they left, so has everyone aged at the same rate, even though they aren't on the same "time-string"? Have they aged at all? Is that why Richard is so youthful?
@ Mr. MacDonald: I don't think that Ben killed Desmond, although I had the same thought originally. Why? Because Eloise already said that the island wasn't done with him, and unless that's referring to another dead body returning, it doesn't seem like the island would let him die. Also, I really like the theory of Sayid beating up Ben. Seems to make sense. However, I also think it could be a direct result of a murder attempt on Penny. If Ben was immediately pre, post, or during attack and Desmond entered, there would undoubtedly be blood shed on both sides. Did Penny make it? I say yes, because Ben sounded downright upset on the phone with Jack, an emotion we don't get out of him very often. But who knows? Either way, I'm certain there was a confrontation.
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron. Whatever will we do? Is he dead? Probably not, that would be crazy-harsh for a primetime TV show. But I wouldn't put it past them. Instead, I say that there's some ambiguity to the situation. Ambiguity, Willy? How? Because I say he finds his way back to Claire, possibly leading to a full family reunion with dearest Charlie. Is Claire dead? To reference a bad Ryan Reynolds movie, “Definitely, Maybe.” Also, I have been staunchly against the "Charlie is alive" thing from the outset, but I may change course. Of course, keep in mind that this is all wild postulating, and the likelihood of anything like that happening is slim. Just trying to inspire conversation here. I do think that something VERY serious happened to Aaron though, because Kate told Jack to never mention him again, implying permanence.
That's all for now, I have to go do Spanish work. Looking forward to next week!
Unfortunately, I only JUST watched the episode... I know I'm quite ashamed of my self, but my studies always come first.
ReplyDeleteANYHOW, I don't really have time/the mental capacity to go in depth about my thoughts on this episode, but overall, I found it quite enjoyable. I loved the parallels to the pilot episode, specifically the first scene. I also liked Lapidus' return. One small thing I noticed, that is most likely irrelevant-- when Jack said to Ben, "how can you read?", Ben responded "my mother taught me." Ummm, his mother died in childbirth, so I don't know what he is talking about, but yeah....
Willy, welcome to LostCampia, we're glad to have you. Already, you have contributed more than Sabrina or Jessica....
And yeah, I didn't really understand the whole Jin-in-a-dharma-suit thing. Alright thats all I have to say for now.
Why thank you Maddy. Anywhoo, I believe Jin-in-a-dharma-suit is because they arrived during that time period, for whatever reason, and I guess we're assuming that Jin has somehow assimilated into Dharma.
ReplyDeleteAnd I think Ben was just being snarky.
Re: "Also, he was played by an actor, Raymond J. Barry, who is fairly established..."
ReplyDeleteBy that reasoning, I hope it turns out Billy Dee Williams is Jacob.
...OK, so it's an entirely different situation. But it'd still be cool.
Re: "Speaking of which, perhaps landing in the 1960s is a direct result of the imperfect redo."
It seems like the flash they experienced just synchronized them with the other plane crash folks. Weird that proximity to the island affects that.
(Why does Juliet jump through time, but not the other Others?)
(Also, are we now stuck in that time period for good? It's not the nuke time period, right? We've long since flashed away from that, right? So what's gonna happen with it?)
Re: Charlie
Well, we've already seen him alive once this season. :) I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Jacob's cabin, although he doesn't have the Christian Shephard connection that Claire has...
Remember Desmond's getting-to-the-helicopter vision? The one that convinced Charlie to go on a suicide mission? Unlike his other flashes, we never saw that one. It still almost seems like Desmond could've been manipulating Charlie in some way. So I wouldn't be surprised to see, say, Daniel or Eloise or Locke or someone encounter that past version of Desmond and tell him he had to lie to Charlie.
Except, now that it seems they're stuck in the 60's, that seems much less likely. But I still reckon they might let out the polar bears. :) And we could see the original Swan incident....
Synchronizing with the other crash folks seems fine. But what about Locke, originally?
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